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"talk back" question for you today, should we welcome pastors in the public square despite their views on homosexuality? this from charles, no, until they fully accept others as equals, why should they be accepted as an equal. this from jim, yes, what are they going to do? pick someone with the ops sit viewpoint? you'll have an uproar from the other side. this from lindsay, don't pick anyone. prayer has no place in politics, and this from kim, when pastors give as much attention to adultery and divorce, i'll believe they are preaching their beliefs. when they single out one group this way it's nothing more than bigotry. thank you for the interesting conversation. so many comments today. thank you. if you'd like to continue the conversation or tweet me at @carolcnn. and thank you so much for joining me today. "cnn newsroom" continues right now with ashleigh banfield. thanks, carol. hi, everybody, nice to have you with us. let's get right to it. this is a bad year for the flu. but is the worst of it behind us
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now? we have some brand-new facts and brand-new figures for you this hour and they are important. in just two hours also the afghan and u.s. presidents are going to face reporters after some pretty talk tough -- some pretty tough talking at the white house. issue, life after war. and also miss d.c., stunning, and hoping to win miss america tomorrow night in vegas. either way, her life is at a major turning point. she's giving up a piece of her anatomy in hopes that the she will beat breast cancer. breast cancer that she does not even have. we're going to start, though, with the flu. despite the warnings that we're facing an epidemic at this point, the situation across this country may actually be starting to improve. the cdc just releasing brand-new numbers showing that those numbers that have been very high are declining in parts of the country, and maybe it's your part of the country. it is still a dangerous situation, though, just look at the map.
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the widespread activity has now spread to 47 states. the cdc's latest count shows that 20 children have now died across the usa, and if that is not bad enough, there are a few other less talked-about illnesses that are also sending a lot of people to the emergency room, those illnesses including whooping cough and a very nasty stomach bug, in fact, a norovirus, our senior medical correspondent, elizabeth cohen is in ft. worth, texas, and she's been tracking all three of these illnesses. i want to start with the most serious and the one creating the most headlines, this flu. so, we are seeing this slowdown that i just mentioned but the numbers are still high. put it in perspective for me, if you can today, elizabeth. >> reporter: do you know what, ashleigh, if you look overall at the whole country, the numbers have gone down slightly, the amount of flu activity. however, do you know what, you really don't care what the flu's like halfway across the country, you care about what it's like where you live.
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so, in some parts of the country particularly the southeast, the numbers are going down. in other parts they're going up. this is very classic of a flu season. these numbers kind of go up and down. but, you know, what we're hoping is that this is sort of the beginning of flu overall going down. still lots of flu out there. still get a vaccine if you haven't gotten one already. >> is this sort of not, you know, overstated about getting the vaccine this week, now we're hearing about other illnesses and i'm not so sure that you can get whooping cough -- vaccines for some of them, but you can for whooping cough and now we're hearing about the worst outbreak of whooping cough in almost 60 years. why? >> reporter: you know, it really is terrible. whooping cough is a terrible disease that can last for a very long time. here's what happened, about ten years ago they decided to change the vaccine. the old one worked well but it was giving -- having some bad reactions, some bad side effects, so they decided to take it off the market. the new one works but it doesn't
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work for as long a period of time but it wears off and that's why ten years later we're starting to see the huge numbers. >> what about this other norovirus, i've heard a couple of people saying they figured they had food poisoning, that it was extraordinarily violent, more so than any of the other sort of tummy aches that we tend to get on a regular basis. what's the story with the norovirus outbreak? >> reporter: right, tummy ache would be a huge euphemism for this virus, it really gives people terrible illness, nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, it's just awful. what happened here it's not a particular virulent strain, it's a new strain, it's called sydney, 2012, and none of us have seen it before. your immune systems don't know what to do with it so that's why you're seeing a lot of people get sick. >> what should we do if our children get it or the elderly get it or just an able-bodied american, what do you? >> reporter: right, if you are a healthy adult, you know, it's
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going to be unpleasant, it's not going to be fun. you're going to survive or you're going to be all right. we're talking about the very old, the very young. there might be more concerns there. overall you want to make sure that you don't get dehydrated, that's what's really important here. >> all right, elizabeth cohen, it's been a busy week for you and it doesn't seem to be over yet. thank you for that. elizabeth cohen is our chief medical correspondent and also sanjay gupta will join me later on in this hour to talk about the new flu information and the report from the cdc and also clear up some of the information you may have about getting a flu shot. you may have chosen not to get one perhaps for the wrong reasons and we'll let you know about all of that coming up. 2013 is barely under way, but the focus of the white house is late 2014 and beyond because that's when the u.s. troops and their nato comrades are due to be gone from afghanistan, more or less to be gone. and that little phrase "more or less" is being hashed out face to face right now by these two men, president obama and afghan president hamid karzai.
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and these two men don't always see eye to eye on those issues and more. cnn's dan lothian is watching this. dan, of course, we're always interested in what they have to say and there's a news conference scheduled for about 1:15 eastern time, but are we exine expecting any big announcements or pronouncements? >> reporter: we've been told by white house aides not to expect any big breakthroughs to come from this meeting. it is a chance for both leaders to sit down and talk about what happens next after 2014, the political, the economic, the security transition. some have suggested, as you said, that they should bring that number down to zero, so zero troops on the ground there after 2014. leon panetta, the defense secretary, saying that that would be a bad idea. what's most likely that there will be a few thousand troops on the ground there in afghanistan after 2014 to help in the transition. there's big concern as to whether or not the afghan forces are prepared, are ready, to
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handle their own security. so, that will be one of the big issues that will be discussed during that face-to-face meeting, the bilateral meeting. they'll also have a lunch meeting, a working lunch meeting and then that press conference that you pointed out will be taking place this afternoon. >> you know, when the white house just happens to float the idea of zero troops, people get excited and for the right or wrong reasons they get excited across this country. and now we have a big new national security team in place. do we have a very solid concept of how these three new faces, chuck hagel, john kerry, and john brennan, you know, ashow do they feel about walking away from afghanistan? we talked about it before and it didn't go so well. >> reporter: that's correct. we'll have to what it and see the positions these new if, in fact, they do get confirmed how they will view this transition. our understanding is when you look at the defense department and someone like mr. hagel would most likely be leaning towards what we're seeing with the
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president, more aggressive in drawdown -- drawing down the troops in afghanistan. you know, we have to look back to the president during both of his campaigns made the promise of ending the war, first of all, in the first campaign in iraq, and drawing down the troops in the war -- winding down the war in afghanistan. in his second campaign he focused on that again, winding down the war in afghanistan, so this is in many ways the president delivering on that promise. but as we've been talking about, how quickly it should happen, how aggressive it should be is a big issue that will be discussed here today and continue to be discussed in the coming months. >> all right, dan lothian live for us at the white house, thank you. again, i want to remind our viewers that president obama and president karzai are going to face off against reporters in a little over two hours from now, 1:15 eastern time after back-to-back meetings and a working lunch as well. let's see if they make any big news. if they do, they're certainly going to make it right here on cnn. and speaking of next year,
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here is some news that some americans are certainly waiting to hear and hoping to hear. the adoptions of russian children are not completely off the books right now. moscow now says that the full ban on adoptions will not take effect until 2014. you might recall that the president of russia, vladimir putin, had approved that ban last month and it was effectively supposed to start this month. but now president putin's spokesman said the agreement with washington has not expired. the state department said the termination clause extends this agreement now for one year but there are still a lot of kinks to be worked out. ck your keys in the car, geico's emergency roadside assistance is there 24/7. oh dear, i got a flat tire. hmmm. uh... yeah, can you find a take where it's a bit more dramatic on that last line, yeah? yeah i got it right here. someone help me!!! i have a flat tire!!! well it's good... good for me. what do you think? geico. fifteen minutes
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instance, a closed country right out of the pages of george orwell's novel "1984." a dangerously unpredictable government, one that now has nuclear weapons. and ordinarily people just barely getting enough to eat. those are the images that are invoked. and visits by westerners are rare. not necessarily this westerner, though, on the left. that's former new mexico governor bill richardson along with google executive chairman eric schmidt, they have just returned from north korea and governor richardson is kind enough to join me live now from washington. governor, thanks for taking the time. i've been looking forward to have a chance to debrief you on your visit but i was worried there wouldn't be enough to debrief about. it doesn't feel like there was a whole lot that you got to do while you were there. have i mischaracterized it? >> well, we did three important things -- one, we sent a very strong message from americans that don't talk to north koreans on a variety of subjects that, one,
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cool it on the missile developments, moratorium on nuclear testing. number two, we pushed very hard for the american kenneth baye who is there in prison to be treated fairly and get consular access. and, third, probably the most important message, was the internet from eric schmidt, the head of google. we weren't traveling as a google team. to open up access to the internet, to move forward with more cell phone service. and we talked to students. we talked to software engineers, to teachers, to ordinary people. so, i think it was a very valuable visit, because we don't talk to the north koreans. i've negotiated with them for about 15 years successfully on a variety of fronts. they invited me. we went on a private humanitarian mission. we were only there two days, but we delivered our messages, ashleigh. i think it was very well worth
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the trip. >> and all those three things that you just listed sound fantastic, but for two small details and those details are this -- you were not there officially, you were there privately, so this was not a u.s. government initiative nor was it even sanctioned nor it seems appreciated by the state department. and on the second side of it, you didn't really get to meet with the higher-level ministers and certainly not kim jong un and that's why i asked if you really had effective meetings. they may have felt good, but do you think they were effective? >> well, they were effective. we met three times with the foreign ministry officials, the highest-level person, the nuclear negotiator, vice minister ri, he's the guy that deals with the nuclear issues with the u.s. we met with him and his staff three times. very intensive, tough meetings. we met with their top scientists. we met with their top software engineers. we visited some of their schools. we sent very strong messages.
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so, no, nobody i don't think anybody has ever met kim jong un from a foreign delegation. maybe heads of state. but you've got a sense of the fact that he wants to move away now that he successfully launched this missile, i think he wants to move away into more engagement, into more economic reforms. but, again, even though i've been there so many times, nobody's an expert, but it's valuable to send those messages. >> so, it may be valuable to send those messages. others feel it's not and that messages went the opposite way. in fact, listen from your time on capitol hill, your time as a cabinet secretary, i know that you know john mccain well, and i know that you know about his tweet that he sent out, you know, either just before or during your mission. he said, richardson and schmidt arrive in north korea today. lenin used to call them useful idiots. i want to characterize that for a moment. lenin actually didn't. it's been mischaracterized.
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lenin is often quoted as having said that, but the library of congress can't find anywhere where lenin has a record of having said that, so it might be a mistake on his part but you know darn well what he meant and that is he felt you were being used as a tool for north korean propaganda. is he wrong? >> he is wrong. and that surprises me about john mccain. i've known him 82 -- since 1982, we were both elected to the congress together, and it's surprising me that he makes a comment like that that is personal. look, we weren't used. we sent valuable messages. are we used by being photographed by north korean students by advancing the internet by saying your nuclear development, your missile tests are not playing well, that you need to engage, that you need to be less isolated, that you need to talk to south korea, you need to talk to china? i don't believe that we were used. and the internet message, for a
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country that is closed -- >> yeah. >> -- that has no open access, no -- very few cell phones, very little internet, eric schmidt of google was received like a rock star. google is known by almost everybody in that country. they can't use it. but they aspire to it and so when you send a message like that and bring somebody like eric schmidt, it opens up a lot of possibilities, including the government, which received the message of eric schmidt quite well, of open access to the internet. >> i have only a second left here, but i have to ask you about kenneth baye you mentioned him off the tops of your remarks, he's being retained and a korean-american citizen and been detained for a couple of months. you've had great success in the past, in the 15 years you've been working with the north koreans, in releasing people and bringing them home and yet you weren't able to meet with him, but you did report that he's in
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good health. i just want to know how you know that being that you did not see him first hand, do you trust the north koreans when they say that and do you trust them when they say that his trial process is moving forward? >> well, i asked the highest levels, and they told me he was being treated properly, that he has consular access from the swedes that represent us, that his trial, that his judicial proceedings, will be soon. he was unfortunately very far away from pyongyang, in the northern part of the country. now, there's another factor, ashleigh, the fact that the north koreans are mad at the united states. they feel that we're isolating them. i happen to think that our policy of sanctions is merited because they violated -- they violated a u.n. agreement of launching the missile. now, do we stop talking to them? i think it's a mistake. i think we need to keep talking
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to them but, again -- >> governor -- >> -- it's important to recognize that we did make a strong representation on kenneth baye and very few people have been able to do that because nobody talked to the north koreans. >> and i certainly hope that any groundwork you may have laid is going to be effective, and i do hope you'll keep us apprised if you hear an update, i'm sure the family is just tormented by all of this. governor, it's always good to talk to you. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> and, again, as we mentioned this is something that obviously a lot of americans will be watching. held in north korea several months and we'll update you as soon as we know more. ♪ ♪ we're lucky, it's not every day you find a companion as loyal as a subaru.
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being told that you're going to die, well, that makes some
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tough decisions actually pretty cut and dry, doesn't it? if you have cancer in your leg, the doctors recommend an amputation, you probably won't sleep on that one for long. what if you don't have cancer, though? what if you're a beauty queen and you're young and healthy and gorgeous yet you're seemingly predisposed to the breast cancer that killed your mother and your grandmother and your aunt? this is ellen rose and she's competing to be miss america tomorrow night, and win or lose this current miss d.c. has decided to undergo a preventive double mastectomy at the urging of her father. my next guest understands that decision 100% because rene syler did this. you probably know her from her fabulous blog the good enough mother and her writings and her teachings and she's the former host of "cbs this morning." it goes on and on your accolades, but both of your parents, your mom and your dad, had breast cancer. survived.
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>> right. >> and yet you made this extraordinary decision. i imagine you are watching this story carefully. >> it's funny, so my surgery i did in 2007, so i'm six years out. but when i hear her story, i know what she's thinking and i know what she's feeling and, you know, i was older obviously and i had already had two kids and had nursed my children. but at that point you're trying to figure out, i want my life to be as long and rich and wonderful as it can be, and you want to live it on your own terms and that's what i feel like i hear when i hear her talking is that she's taking control of her own life and her own health and she wants to live it on her own terms. >> her father came to her and she's in her late 20s and her father said you need to do this, you lost your mom, and i lost my wife, we're a unit here. and she responded i think my mom would have happily given up those breasts at an earlier age to see me hopefully, you know, compete in miss america
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tomorrow. >> sure. well, i think ultimately her dad, her family, all of these things, that's wonderful she has the support, but ultimately this decision is hers and hers alone. when i did my surgery, i was surprisingly -- there was great support from all kinds of circles, but there was also some criticism from people saying, well, she didn't have cancer and she should have trusted god -- >> why would anyone criticize you? isn't your business? what you do with your business? >> exactly. that was kind of my point, do you know what, this is my life and, you know, how i want to live. >> yeah. >> and also i felt like some of the criticism came from -- from men and i kept thinking, you know, excuse me, first of all, this is not really your place at all, you're not married to me, you're not me. and they didn't really understand why. but it didn't matter. they didn't need to understand. i needed to understand. >> yeah. did you -- your days are coming closer and closer, did you ever back out at any point say i'm calling the doctor, i'm calling
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it off? >> no. i came to this decision, and every day i was moving closer. i made the date for january, this is january six years ago, and i made the date in, like, the summer. and my doctor was very clear. made this very clear to me. he said we can always back out. let's just reserve the surgical suite. and i never did. i never did. >> can you still get cancer? can you still get breast cancer? >> i can. i had a special procedure. since i didn't have breast cancer, i had a procedure that is called a nipple sparing mastectomy, i still have my own anatomy but minus the breast tissue, so you can still get a breast cancer but your risk is very, very low. >> how much lower? by doing what you did, how did you reduce your risk? >> probably to about, you know, between 1% and 2%. >> wow. >> yeah. >> wow. >> where before i was way, way above the average. >> and here is my guess, no regrets? >> not a one. >> and may i say, you look amazing? >> thank you. >> i knew she was going to do
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that, because do you know why, we've known each other 17 years and we met in dallas, texas, and we were local anchors. >> and when i got here, you said they look good. >> they do, girl. rene syler, thank you for being here. thank you for your perspective. happy new year. >> good to see you, too. >> back right after this. clear, huh? i'm not juice or fancy water. i've got nine grams of protein. that's three times more than me! [ female announcer ] ensure clear. nine grams protein. zero fat. in blueberry/pomegranate and peach.
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bad credit score, there are ways to improve it. and the person who knows so well how to do so is christine romans. you and i were in the middle of this segment, i think it was on wednesday. >> yeah. >> great information and lo and behold i think the vice president had something breaking. we had to stop the segment and would were overloaded with tweets, people saying get back to that segment, i want to know how to improve my credit coscor. it's not that hard? >> no, it's not that hard. people say can i improve it in a month, it takes as much time to get it bad is how much time it takes to get it better. 785 plus credit scores have a common denominator, they are boring. >> boring is better. >> they pay their bills. >> what do i to become boring? >> you have a little bit of balance and that's fine, four credit card and other loans. you go to
8:30 am, you don't have to obsess every month with your credit score and don't ding it every time, don't be pinging and looking for your credit ever time. and time heals wounds and you have to pay your bills for a long time and your credit score can go up. >> what's the worst thing you can do? >> ignore it, first of all. there are a lot of crazy schemes, i'll borrow money and then i'll -- it's so simple that it's almost sad. it's just like a diet. you just exercise more and eat less. you just live below your means, pay down your debt, pay your bills on time all the time. >> how clever. >> you will raise your credit score. >> someone mentioned to me once because some people really obsess about this and they check their credit score all the time. >> that's a terrible idea. >> why is that a bad idea? >> every time you open it up, it looks like someone is opening up your credit. >> what's wrong with it? does it lower your score? >> it can. oh, yeah, it can. you also don't want to open up a bunch of store cards, every time you open up a credit check, it's
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not good for you. the other people do the credit monitoring and stuff, you already got a free credit report every year, you want to look at the credit history, that's free, it's free. you clean up any mistakes and, like, half of people have a mistake on their credit report. you clean that up and your credit score goes up, too. >> free, open it once, though. >> by law you get that free one here. >> because we have desks really close to each other and we gab all the time about all sorts of things, i can't tell the secrets today, but christine said that -- and this really stuck with me, the banks and credit companies know more about me apparently than i know. >> yes, they do. >> they could predict my future even before i know what i'm going to do and what's going to happen to me. >> that's what a credit score. a credit score is a prediction about whether you can pay your bills. the 720 or higher for the best interest rates, but a credit genius he has -- and has worked in the credit scoring industry,
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he points out they have all kind of different credits scores, the three-digit number, they have credit scores whether you'll file for bankruptcy, whether you'll be a profitable customer for the credit card company, whether you are likely to jump at a preapproved credit card. they watch things like your change in behavior. are you paying your bills at a different time of the month. are you now looking like you're more strapped, they know how much money is coming in and how much money is going out and they can tell -- say you used to shop at the department stores and now you're shopping at walmart, they can even use that to score whether you're about to head to the financial difficulty because the bottom line is they're lending you money. the credit card companies are lending you money and they want to know that they are going to make money from you and that you can pay back in the end. >> they can predict if you're going to get a gi vors? >> well, they look and they can see all of this -- these behavioral changes, they know what you're headed before you do. >> if the dude is going to strip
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the cdc has just released the new numbers for the flu epidemic that is sweeping the country, and here's the good news, it actually looks like the spread of the virus may be starting to slow down in parts of the country. our chief medical correspondent gupta has been watching the story very carefully, he's
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joining me live now. all right, this is being called the worst flu season in years which gets a lot of people running out to get the inoculation. >> right. >> is there enough of the vaccine out there right now, sanjay? >> well, i will give you context on the way that you look at the vaccines around the country. when you look at specific communities there could be some spot shortages, but i want you to look at how many vaccines were actually made, how they get contribute distributed. i think 135 million were created initially and over 120 million were distributed and you got 112 million people who have been vaccinated thus far and pretty good in terms of vaccination, it fits with previous years. but you can see there are 16 million doses, you can do the math, that are out there that have not yet been given and 7 million more in the pipeline, so i think it is. i don't think you can always normally get it at the pharmacy that you normally do, but you can get it. the widespread flu activity, california, hawaii, and
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mississippi are the three states that don't yet have the widespread activity but, again, the flu is everywhere. four states have gone up in terms of activity. five states have come down, so we're about even, if you will, as compared to last week. >> all right. one of the things i find amazing is when people say, i'm not going to get the flu shot because that will get me the flu, and we just need to be really clear. you absolutely cannot get the flu from the flu shot, so why, then, sanjay, do people get sick after they get the shot? >> well, there's a few reasons. first of all, the flu shot is not 100% protective. it's about 60% protective, so there are going to be some people who get the flu despite having had a flu shot. not because of the flu shot. also, even after you get the flu shot, it takes a couple of weeks for your protection to build up. so, if you get exposed after you get the flu shot but within that two-week window, you could still get sick, but, you know, one thing i want to point out and i think this is important, ashleigh, once you get a flu shot, it's a dead virus, you can't get the flu from it but
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the whole point is to activate your immune system if it sees the virus again it knows how to attack it and get rid of it. if you feel cruddy for a couple of days after the flu shot, your immune system is doing what it's supposed to do. >> i wasn't aware it takes a couple of weeks for the flu shot to be fully effective and certainly you can get sick in the meantime. i herald you ard you on anderso saying we touch our faces on an average day, it stuck with me, because it was creepy, a couple of hundred of times, where all the germs are and where all the germs get transmitted. >> right. >> honestly. is hand washing enough if we're touching our faces that much? >> yeah, you would think. and that does surprise a lot of people. interestingly it's different culturally. there are some cultures that touch their faces more and some that touch it less. yeah, 100, 200 times a day. hand washing is still the best thing you can do. obviously now that your viewers have heard this, ashleigh, they
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may be more likely to pay attention to the touching of their face than they have in the past, but just sort of mindlessly we do it several hundred times and keeping your hands as clean as possible, you touch a keyboard or a doorknob, think about every time you touch something, you could have introduced the germs to your hands and getting it to your mouth and nose is how you get sick. >> i was singing "happy birthday" in the bathroom thanks to you because you also told anderson to sing "happy birthday" twice which is the length of time you need to wash your hands. i'm not crazy. it's dr. gupta. and for the people that get nervous when you think about the potential of 50,000 people dying from the siflu, if i feel sick d nigh child is shows the fever and the aches do i go to the doctor or hunker down and drink plenty of fluids and hope for the best? >> the latter. not only does hunkering down at home and getting plenty of fluids and sleep help you
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recover and build up your own immune system, you can recover and not be a source of infection for the rest of the community. there are certain areas where going to the did doctor or going to the hospital is necessary, the tightness of chest or difficulty breathing. or when a couple days later the fever returns, in the medical world among doctors and nurses that will be a red flag. why has the fever returned? is there a secondary infection? that can be a big concern especially in kids. it's the most common way that kids die from this is from the secondary infections, ashleigh. >> all right, sanjay, great information. thank you, have a good weekend. and keep those hands clean. >> i will. >> especially with the little ones at home. you take care. for more information on how to keep the flu virus at bay,, plenty of info for you and be sure to tune in to "sanjay gupta m.d." this weekend.
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he's got all the latest flu information and he's got numbers and ways you can protect yourself in addition to what we just said. in california, another school shooting. and this one possibly linked to bullying. it happened at taft union high school near bakersfield yesterday. the sheriff says that a 16-year-old student showed up late to class and was carrying with him a 12 gauge shotgun. on target, two classmates apparently because he felt he'd been bullied. one student was shot and is in critical condition and stabilized. ryan heeber, a teacher, is one f two staffers being credited today with convincing the shooter to put down the shotgun. the gunman is expected to be charged as a juvenile and charged with attempted murder. some shocking video to show you as well. video that was captured on cell phone. it's pretty remarkable that this shows as many as 60 students along with their parents duking it out at a bus stop in a
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pittsburgh neighborhood and we are not talking about one instance. this happened over two separate days. police are actually calling it a riot. and they've arrested five adults and students and they say a dozen more arrests could still come from this, and we are still unclear as to why. why they were doing this. the school superintendent says that any students involved in this will be suspended and expelled from school. and it appears that a group of killer whales that were trapped beneath the ice up in canada's hudson may have been now released from this terrible jam. the first we showed them to you yesterday, this was the image, a very small hole, an opening in the ice, they were all taking turns and getting air. officials said, though, that shifting wind patterns overnight helped the ice to break up, possibly even getting them a passage to open water. the 11 whales had been struggling to say alive in the
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the presidential inaugural committee has just revealed some exciting information. some of the big-name talent that's going to perform at the concerts and the parties. inaugural balls we like to call them, a couple days from now. alicia keys, brad paisley, katy perry and stevie wonder and
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usher, and that's not all. the festivities will begin with a kids concert a week from now. two official inaugural balls will take place on monday the 21st. and we cannot forget the inauguration itself, beyonce, kelly clarkson, james taylor, they are some of the numbers that you'll be hearing and also we're learning the did date of the president's state of the union address as well, house speaker john boehner has invited the president to capitol hill, that's how it happens, if you didn't know it's an invitation. the date will be february 12th and the date may sound familiar because that's abraham lincoln's birthday. four years down and four more to go, if you had a chance to talk to the president face to face, would you have any advice for him? keep it clean, all right? he does have a second term, and a man who has been talking to leaders all around the world has a couple of suggestions. the one and only fareed zakaria who is here to tell me about the upcoming special "memo to the president" it airs this sunday 8:00 p.m. eastern here on cnn. i love the fact that you had
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audience with all of these extraordinarily important people, with such wonderful, rich backgrounds, and they all had a theme, it seemed, to what they would tell the president. give me a bit of a feel, first a big picture for your special. >> probably the most important to think about is it's a second term. it's very different from a first term, and there haven't been many. there have only been 17 second-term presidents. >> that's interesting, you wouldn't think that. >> and most of them don't work out for a variety of reasons people explain that the president is already losing power, you know, every day from now on he's moving to lame duck status. >> lame duck, yeah. >> so, there's a real art there how to make this work and i asked people bike james baker who was ronald reagan's chief of staff, then his secretary of treasury, then secretary of state under george bush, i asked bob reuben, clinton's secretary of treasury and clinton's chief of staff. and they all basically said he's got to find a way to create a
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governing majority, which is to say he's got to reach out to the republicans and find some group within the republican party who can work with him. >> gosh, wouldn't that be the advice right now for every single member who takes an airplane or bus or car to washington. you've got to make it work. it's disastrous. it's the same for the president. >> it's the same for the president. and there were some people who felt he should be inviting them to dinner more. to be fair, a lot of democrats said the republicans seem hell-bent on not cooperating with the president. it's not easy. but james baker put it very well, he said, if you want to get stuff done, the only way it can get done is it's got to get through the house which means you've got to get them on board. >> certain presidents have built their legacy almost entirely in their second term, i'm thinking of reagan, who perhaps wasn't as successful and struggled through the economy and it was dubious whether he could get re-elected in his second term but has come out with the legacy. >> he got lucky the soviet union collapsed in his second term
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otherwise he had iran contra and people forget and people felt he was very detached. it's a tough time. >> is it a matter of marketing in terms of creating your legacy? everybody struggles during a four-year period, no matter what, the country will have tough times and face struggles and crises in some way, is it a matter of markmarketing? >> i think more than anything else it's prioritizing. for the president he's got so many thinks going on, he's got to figure out what are the two or three things i want to push and push and push and keep pushing and make sure it happens. obama to his credit, the first line of obama's legacy is already written. he is the president who brought universal health care to america. i would argue the big job in the second term -- >> he came for it. >> -- and making it work, so that it doesn't seem to be this unaffordable disastrous. the form of the system that works. he's got his work cut out for him. make health care reform work.
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>> i would remiss if i didn't put a quick comment. we had bill richardson on, the former new mexico governor, and he said of his trip to north korea, the north koreans are mad at us, do you think it's a good idea? do you think it will eventually lay groundwork to bigger and better things or is it sort of a fool's erand? >> it's a very good idea. the north koreans are mad at us, we're mad at them, too. but at the end of the day, contact, conversation, dialogue, is always good. it's not an endorsement of the north korean regime. nobody thinks that bill richardson thinks north korea is a good place to live. it's just a recognition of the reality. we've got problems with these guys. let's talk to them. >> fareed zakaria, it's always good to talk to you. you need to visit more. >> done. >> that's what's called an open invitation to visit here. don't miss "memo to the president, roadmap for the second term" sunday night 8:00 p.m. and, again, 11:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. thanks, fareed.
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>> you're welcome.
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the alleged gunman in the colorado theater massacre will stand trial. james holmes was scheduled to be arraigned at this hour, but we have news just in. we're learning his arraignment has been delayed. this at the request of his defense attorneys. i want to get straight out to casey wian who just came out of the courtroom. give us an update.
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>> reporter: what has happened is the judge has decided to delay the arraignment that was supposed to happen today until march 12th. it was over the objections of prosecutors and over the objections of 84 of the 93 victims that prosecutors were able to get in touch with last night. the judge said he xwragranted t delay because he was concerned about an appeal. he said he understood the victims' concerns, but he wants to make sure that they're not all back in court in two years which he says is the last thing anybody wants. also he talked about the incredible amount of discovery the defense needs to go through, nearly 31,000 pages of discovery and more than 350 dvds, cds, blu-ray disks. so he talked about that, as well. there was a little bit of drama at the end. one of the spectators on the victims' side of the courthouse, a gentleman by the name of steve hernandez, who is the father of
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victim rebecca wingo, he shotted out rot in hell holmes. the judge called everybody back in later to ask if he would be able to refrain from those further outbursts and warning everybody not to have any further outbursts in court. so they will be back in court in march. >> important to note, though, there was no jury present in the room to hear that outburst, so hopefully just harmless. but certainly not acceptable. casey wian, thank you very much. now of course the question becomes is james holmes insane? is he crazy? or is he crazy like a fox? how do you begin to defend someone like holmes? this man, paul callan, knows and he'll talk to me about it in just a moment. leave tonight. uhh, it's next month, actually... eddie continues singing: to tickets to... paradiiiiiise! no four. remember? whoooa whooaa whooo!
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the suspect who allegedly master minded and executed the colorado theater massacre was scheduled to be arraigned today. the defense attorneys for james holmes, however, had a different plan, they asked for a postponement. just less than an hour ago in fact saying they needed more time before they and their client enter a plea. interesting because we've been learning a a lot of new details. we're hearing revealing witness testimony all week long and victims' parents are very quick to point out what they see in
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court. >> as soon as he saw different things happening, he smiled a couple times. and he caught himself. because he's really pretending to be crazy. he's evil, but he's not crazy one bit. he's very cold, very calculated. >> aah. critical words. what exactly will holmes' attorneys try to do in court? will they try to argue an insanity defense possibly just in an effort to pair this man's life? this is a death penalty state. paul callan joins me now. before i get to the insanity part, i want to get to the delay because there is a strategy at play. explain. >> there's a big strategy going on here. a lot of people think that the judge has already decided that holmes is competent tent to stand trial. i mean, we have some whole hearing last week. he was sitting in court he have

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